What a weird investigation though. Sounds like they could have solved it by asking the photographer first, which they eventually did:
> Finally, Spark contacted Murray Close, the photographer who took the picture of Jack Nicholson that was inserted into the original image.
> The photographer revealed that "there was no such thing as the Warner Brothers photo archive [and] that was a complete mistake."
> Instead, Close had sourced the original photo from the BBC Hulton Photo Library in London, now part of Getty Images.
> The photo, it turns out, was taken at a Valentine's Day dance on February 14, 1921, in the Empress Ballroom at the Royal Palace Hotel in London.
pierrec 1 hours ago [-]
Sounds like a typical investigation to me. You go down a few rabbit holes which turn out to be dead ends, and eventually realize the solution was right under your nose this whole time (this may sound familiar if you've done enough debugging as well). I also suspect the solution wasn't as obvious as the article makes it seem. For sure it should be framed more as a group effort, but that's just the writing style being weird.
frereubu 2 hours ago [-]
I wonder if the "investigators" were subconsciously not that interested in actually solving the mystery, but were just enjoying the process. Can't remember what it was I was reading recently, but there was a character who deliberately did things the hard way, or in a convoluted way, because it satisfied something inside of him.
Anyone who falls in love with Haskell can probably relate.
1 hours ago [-]
huhkerrf 3 days ago [-]
> I do feel a sense of achievement. We knew the photograph with Jack Nicholson in [it]. We knew that there was an unknown man, but we didn't know who he was.
Of course, this skips over the fact that it was actually a reddit poster who discovered the person, and the professor didn't believe him.
zelphirkalt 29 minutes ago [-]
Actually no. In the audio file they discuss this. The redditor thought it was a misidentification and did not believe it, while the person researching it further did believe that was a good identification.
mingus88 2 hours ago [-]
Which should be the default mode of operation with anything you read on Reddit these days.
I mean, discounting what Reddit has become in 2025, would you trust any anonymous post that said “I ran it through my facial recognition database and got a match from over 100 years ago”
It’s not true until it’s verified
Aardwolf 56 minutes ago [-]
Where else can one reliably post and communicate on the internet today then?
Linking to the lite version of an article about an image is an odd choice as the lite version doesn't include images by default. Thanks for linking to the full page.
frereubu 2 hours ago [-]
I really like the lite version - but then I used to work on an early version of the BBC website where pages over 70kb, including images, would make the ops team growl.
netsharc 3 days ago [-]
Sheesh, an instance where the "lite" version of the page is more annoying than the full version: an article about an image. Yes I realise I'm moaning about extra clicks to load the images..
kookamamie 2 hours ago [-]
The whole article reads like a complex mystery itself. Took a while to piece together what was even being investigated.
the_sleaze_ 23 minutes ago [-]
I'm glad I wasn't the only one experiencing some struggle comprehending this article.
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nottorp 4 hours ago [-]
> Instead, Close had sourced the original photo from the BBC Hulton Photo Library in London, now part of Getty Images.
So the UK government privatized their photo archives at some point?
rwmj 3 hours ago [-]
The BBC is a weird corporation created by royal charter. But it's not a part of the UK government, and nor are works created by the BBC copyright-free (as is the case in the US for something like NASA).
UK government publications aren't copyright-free either. In fact they manage to be worse than copyrighted, at least for works created before 1988 (some of which are perpetually copyrighted, others until 2040, others for 125 years, it's a big mess). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_copyright#United_Kingdom
imzadi 2 hours ago [-]
How is a picture from 1921 where people were bustling around at night so sharp and clear?
dawidloubser 2 hours ago [-]
It was taken on a wet plate camera (capturing images on sensitised glass pates), which has remarkable resolution, typically far beyond most smaller cameras even today.
The photo was artificially lit, most likely with flash powder or magnesium ribbon. Those create incredible amounts of light - obnoxiously so, which is why they were replaced by safer flash bulbs and later on electronic flash in subsequent decades.
The light would have been more than enough to illuminate the people standing and posing for the photograph in that enclosed room.
I wonder how different things would have been if we were not able to capture the past 100-150 years so well on monochrome film. What a remarkable time to be alive, and to have been able to look back on the past using a mostly-reliable and truthful medium - now long since lost with the advent of digital imaging.
pier25 2 hours ago [-]
Maybe they used one of those big chemical flashes bounced against a wall to soften it.
SideburnsOfDoom 2 hours ago [-]
Flash photography was a thing then, this photograph looks like a Flash is illuminating it.
> through the 1920s, flash photography normally meant a professional photographer sprinkling powder into the trough of a T-shaped flash lamp, holding it aloft, then triggering a brief and (usually) harmless bit of pyrotechnics.
> Instead, Close had sourced the original photo from the BBC Hulton Photo Library in London, now part of Getty Images.
That's a bit disappointing if I am reading it correctly. A photo library initially funded by the taxpayers, is now locked down by Getty Images?
m3kw9 45 minutes ago [-]
What a weird website. Why do I need to tap on every image like it was NSFW?
542354234235 6 minutes ago [-]
It is a "lite" version of the full website, that uses a minimum of data and computer resources.
Aardwolf 4 hours ago [-]
Now that I see both pictures side by side, it's actually visible that the arms are in a slightly mismatched position compared to the suit in the retouched version
1oooqooq 4 hours ago [-]
only mystery is why people pretend to like or understand the ending with the picture.
jowday 36 seconds ago [-]
What was hard to understand about it?
dackle 3 hours ago [-]
I'm sorry to differ with you, sir, but I quite liked the ending.
If I may be so bold, sir.
If you don't mind my saying so, sir.
olivierestsage 2 hours ago [-]
It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't it just that he has been swallowed up by the house and now he's "at" the eternal party where he saw all the ghosts during that one scene?
Jgrubb 3 hours ago [-]
You’ve always been the caretaker, sir.
I should know. I’ve always been here.
computerthings 5 minutes ago [-]
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> Finally, Spark contacted Murray Close, the photographer who took the picture of Jack Nicholson that was inserted into the original image.
> The photographer revealed that "there was no such thing as the Warner Brothers photo archive [and] that was a complete mistake."
> Instead, Close had sourced the original photo from the BBC Hulton Photo Library in London, now part of Getty Images.
> The photo, it turns out, was taken at a Valentine's Day dance on February 14, 1921, in the Empress Ballroom at the Royal Palace Hotel in London.
Edit: It was this article about an orchid collector: https://www.susanorlean.com/articles/orchid_fever.html
Of course, this skips over the fact that it was actually a reddit poster who discovered the person, and the professor didn't believe him.
I mean, discounting what Reddit has become in 2025, would you trust any anonymous post that said “I ran it through my facial recognition database and got a match from over 100 years ago”
It’s not true until it’s verified
So the UK government privatized their photo archives at some point?
UK government publications aren't copyright-free either. In fact they manage to be worse than copyrighted, at least for works created before 1988 (some of which are perpetually copyrighted, others until 2040, others for 125 years, it's a big mess). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_copyright#United_Kingdom
The photo was artificially lit, most likely with flash powder or magnesium ribbon. Those create incredible amounts of light - obnoxiously so, which is why they were replaced by safer flash bulbs and later on electronic flash in subsequent decades.
The light would have been more than enough to illuminate the people standing and posing for the photograph in that enclosed room.
I wonder how different things would have been if we were not able to capture the past 100-150 years so well on monochrome film. What a remarkable time to be alive, and to have been able to look back on the past using a mostly-reliable and truthful medium - now long since lost with the advent of digital imaging.
> through the 1920s, flash photography normally meant a professional photographer sprinkling powder into the trough of a T-shaped flash lamp, holding it aloft, then triggering a brief and (usually) harmless bit of pyrotechnics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_(photography)
That's a bit disappointing if I am reading it correctly. A photo library initially funded by the taxpayers, is now locked down by Getty Images?
If I may be so bold, sir.
If you don't mind my saying so, sir.
I should know. I’ve always been here.